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  • #16
    Is there really anything she can really do at this point? There really isn’t another option unless you go to the portal and get someone in as a late transfer now. I think the whole Shemera situation really hurt the team. And still no one knows the story…Not having a good point guard really hurts any team. Defensively you will always have a help option because you don’t have to worry about her offense. That hurts our 3 point effort because teams will be able to take that option away. I will say not having Pili out there really hurts. She is our most aggressive player and consistent. Clarice is a big body but is really slow and needs to be better around the basket as does Jackson. Jackson is a jr and by now should of developed into a much stronger player around the basket but has not. It is really disappointing. Too many shots around the basket being missed.
    Trojanjunkee
    Sophomore
    Last edited by Trojanjunkee; 11-21-2021, 09:57 AM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by SCthe1 View Post

      As I noted in my notes on the last game against Western Michigan -"Desi Caldwell is an enthusiastic, talkative leader on the floor, and is a team captain, (along with Pili and Reed), but she just doesn't score. In a team high 34 minutes, she was 0-3 FGs, 2-4 FTs for a measly 2 points. She did have 5 rebs and 5 assists. She makes you remember how good Endyia Rogers was, or Minyon Moore, or Camille Lenoir or a long line of PGs going back to Rhonda Windham on the National Championship Teams. The PG position has never been so weak for SC"

      We have all seen Desi for 3 years now as the PG and we know what we have in her and she just does not have the skills needed to be a PG, nor a SG on this level. In this game against a Missouri State team that I wrote this about: "Defense is their forte, they are currently the second best 3-pt defense in the nation, giving up only 9.4% made 3-ptrs. They are giving up 52 ppg and blocking 6 shots per game. Their star player is Jasmine Franklin who is 3 points shy of the 1000 mark in her career and is coming off a week in which she was named MVC Player of the Week", Desi had 2 pts, 1 assist and 4 turnovers! This makes our point. This season against Hawaii she had 2 pts, 1 assist, 2 TOs; against UVA she had 5 pts, 4 assists and 1 TO - you can't have a starting senior PG, team captain, who has these kinds of numbers. She is who we thought she was. So how long is Coach Lindsay going to go with her as the lead guard? Bella is a little too frantic at times, but she represents our best PG option to my eye and needs to get some more minutes to develop.

      We are not in good shape at the most important position on a team - PG. No wonder Lindsay was experimenting with the power forward Pili as a point forward. Another option is to play Alyson Miura at the point, she has the skills, but that may take away your best catch and shoot 3-pt threat. Yes Aliyah Gayles should come in next year at PG and be a difference maker, but what about this season?

      If you were Lindsay Gottlieb what would you do?
      At this point we are in a pickle. My meeting with Desi is simple. I need you to be more aggressive attacking the basketball. Make defenses commit. I would tell her she a ball handler that no one has to play defense on which will cripple the team if you don't play with aggression. Crazy part is, in practice she's playing basketball from all accounts but when it's game time, nothing. Smh! Muira could be the key but she's a instant trigger from 3. Does running the offense take away from that. Tough call for coach Gottlieb but in this conference having a point that scares defenses is necessary.

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      • #18
        You can’t make Caldwell a scorer when she isn’t a scorer. She doesn’t have the skills to just “get in the paint.” And she can’t shoot. White is the same way. Teams aren’t even guarding White. And when we put both of these two on the floor together, there is zero perimeter offense on the floor.
        Bella looked good agaisnt Hawaii and looks like a deer in the headlights since. Very sloppy and looks pouty on the bench since Muira returned.

        Why aren’t we equally discussing the inept wing play? Sanders looks disinterested and makes poor decisions with the ball. She never passes and when she doesn’t know what to do, she just shoots it. She is shooting 31% from the floor and that’s counting an efficient first game. She’s 9-34 since and constantly coasting on the wing. Reed was supposed to be a major upgrade but what is she bringing? Solid shooting percentage but not even averaging double figures and only 2.5 rebounds per game in 27 minutes per game. She is playing with the same stoic, disinterested demeanor as Sanders. In the Western Michigan game, the team got rolling with those two on the bench. At what point do you shake things up and give others a chance?

        Our offense is a mess. We are best when pushing the ball. Our quick hitters are very ineffective and our main offense is standing and watching us try to pound the ball into posts that can’t finish. There is no flow or continuity to our offense. We are determined to pound it in to posts that can’t win their match up. Yet if we ran action to create switches and mismatches, then we could win the post up which would draw help and also free up perimeter shooting. The coaches need to hold the players accountable to be productive when on the floor. They also need to hold themselves accountable and realize the current offensive philosophy isn’t working.

        Caldwell, Sanders and Reed are eating up a lot of minutes and not producing for the minutes they get. Jenkins does a spin move every time in the paint and Jackson and Akunwafo can’t finish with their left hand to save their lives. We need Pili back and Marshall needs more minutes. I would like to see Muira at the PG spot and I would also like to see Campbell get more reps. She keeps getting limited minutes but can shoot the ball well and also is vocal on the floor and seems to have a much better IQ and feel on the offensive end. White doesn’t bring anything right now and Caldwell needs less minutes. We are lacking leadership yet again.

        The coaching was also shaky when we were getting crushed defensively and waited until we were down 25 to switch into a zone.

        We looked like a 9-10th best PAC-12 team yesterday. To use the excuse that it’s because it was a really good team is a cop out. Losing a close game to them would be one thing. Getting beat by 30 at home shows how far away we are from being a tournament caliber team.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by StopNPop View Post
          You can’t make Caldwell a scorer when she isn’t a scorer. She doesn’t have the skills to just “get in the paint.” And she can’t shoot. White is the same way. Teams aren’t even guarding White. And when we put both of these two on the floor together, there is zero perimeter offense on the floor.
          Bella looked good agaisnt Hawaii and looks like a deer in the headlights since. Very sloppy and looks pouty on the bench since Muira returned.

          Why aren’t we equally discussing the inept wing play? Sanders looks disinterested and makes poor decisions with the ball. She never passes and when she doesn’t know what to do, she just shoots it. She is shooting 31% from the floor and that’s counting an efficient first game. She’s 9-34 since and constantly coasting on the wing. Reed was supposed to be a major upgrade but what is she bringing? Solid shooting percentage but not even averaging double figures and only 2.5 rebounds per game in 27 minutes per game. She is playing with the same stoic, disinterested demeanor as Sanders. In the Western Michigan game, the team got rolling with those two on the bench. At what point do you shake things up and give others a chance?

          Our offense is a mess. We are best when pushing the ball. Our quick hitters are very ineffective and our main offense is standing and watching us try to pound the ball into posts that can’t finish. There is no flow or continuity to our offense. We are determined to pound it in to posts that can’t win their match up. Yet if we ran action to create switches and mismatches, then we could win the post up which would draw help and also free up perimeter shooting. The coaches need to hold the players accountable to be productive when on the floor. They also need to hold themselves accountable and realize the current offensive philosophy isn’t working.

          Caldwell, Sanders and Reed are eating up a lot of minutes and not producing for the minutes they get. Jenkins does a spin move every time in the paint and Jackson and Akunwafo can’t finish with their left hand to save their lives. We need Pili back and Marshall needs more minutes. I would like to see Muira at the PG spot and I would also like to see Campbell get more reps. She keeps getting limited minutes but can shoot the ball well and also is vocal on the floor and seems to have a much better IQ and feel on the offensive end. White doesn’t bring anything right now and Caldwell needs less minutes. We are lacking leadership yet again.

          The coaching was also shaky when we were getting crushed defensively and waited until we were down 25 to switch into a zone.

          We looked like a 9-10th best PAC-12 team yesterday. To use the excuse that it’s because it was a really good team is a cop out. Losing a close game to them would be one thing. Getting beat by 30 at home shows how far away we are from being a tournament caliber team.
          Re: Our PG situation
          As much as I can appreciate a defensive specialist, Caldwell or White on the floor, especially together, is practically 4 v 5 (or 3 v 5) on offense. This team desperate needs leadership but that would mean that leader has to hold themselves to a higher standard and unfortunately, I can't see that happening for now. I believe in past squads there was at least one player that would be just as tough on others as they were on themselves (was it one of the Gilbreath sisters?). I really don't think Miura can guard a bigger, stronger, faster point guard such as UCLA's Osborne, WSU's Ledger Walker, Stanford's Hull/Jones, Colorado's Sherrod, or even Cal's freshmen phenom Curry. She's our most reliable shooter that gives us a chance for any sort of paint production. Campbell has very high IQ but she's been a step slow since her injuries.

          I still think it's still early for our underclassmen but at this point I can only really expect Jenkins from our soph class to contribute. Marshall has a ton of potential to be our program player, Akunwafo and Perkins are both still developing but have real size/good guard skills.

          As for looking like a 9-10th place PAC12 team... I wouldn't be so sure. Both Cal and Utah (voted to finish 12th and 10th respectively) are 4-0 and Washington (voted to finish 11th) had a close game and almost pulled off an upset vs #10th ranked Louisville. I hope I'm wrong but our players and coaches need to step up if we want to avoid as the lowest standing team at the end of the season.

          I'll be anxious to see how the WOT responds with UCF and Seton Hall. UCF is also 3-1 and had a close loss to #16 Tennessee and Seton Hall has a few talented transfers. Safe travels to the team and best of luck in Cancun.

          FIGHT ON!

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          • #20
            I agree on Muira defensively against stronger guards, but maybe we aren’t a man to man defensive team? Oregon played a lot of zone during Ionescu’s successful tenure. Zoning up or mixing it up more could get more offense like Muira and Campbell on the floor and also hide the weaknesses of our posts defensively. Mosquera-Lewis played at nearby Mater Dei and couldn’t guard her shadow. UConn played a ton of zone with her because they valued her sharp shooting ability.

            The staff needs to evaluate their offensive and defensive schemes. I have to say I’m disappointed in the lack of offensive ingenuity after all the buzz of LG and her NBA experience. We need a lot more movement and continuity because we look like a late 90’s offense at this point.

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            • #21
              My point in saying we played a really good team was not meant to be a cop out but a partial analysis of what happened Saturday. We had played 3 bad teams and won by big margins. So players and fans were confident. And then for the first time this year and for the first time under the new coach we face a really good team. Totally dominated in every aspect and then as it often happens it snowballs. Confidence wanes. In some ways it is almost better that we got trounced because weaknesses were exposed and everyone, especially the players realize that they really need to work on some things. Hard to drive that point home in blowout wins but a blowout loss, well that gets everybody's attention. . Things are not as bad as they seem. It is very early and we have a great coach. Things will get better. Problem is that there is only so much you can do with these players. Once coach has a chance to bring in a couple of classes of her recruits things may improve in a hurry. Transfer portal may help but at this stage in the program's development it does little good to bring in players with only one one or two years of eligibility remaining.
              ladyhoopfan
              Freshman
              Last edited by ladyhoopfan; 11-22-2021, 03:56 PM.

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              • #22
                You’re greatly underselling the talent of the players we have.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by StopNPop View Post
                  You’re greatly underselling the talent of the players we have.
                  Maybe underselling a little but not greatly underselling. Yes, we do have some talent but not enough to consistently do well against teams in the top half of our conference or trams outside of our conference like the team we just played. They had two players far better than anyone we had. So yes we need a couple of years of recruiting or one super recruiting year before we have enough talent to compete consistently well against the top 30 teams or so in the country. Now if you are saying we have enough talent to compete well against many Top 60 teams I would agree.

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                  • #24
                    #5 ranked recruiting class in 2019
                    #7 ranked recruiting class in 2021

                    Sounds to me like we have talent. Need a staff to figure out how to mesh it. And we’ve added a few grad transfers to that mix. We’re still young and growing but there are pieces to be Top 25 if we start doing the intangibles at a higher level and get a better philosophical approach on both ends of the floor, even though it’s already vastly improved from last year. Still need to be willing to tweak and change what isn’t working along the journey.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by StopNPop View Post
                      You can’t make Caldwell a scorer when she isn’t a scorer. She doesn’t have the skills to just “get in the paint.” And she can’t shoot. White is the same way. Teams aren’t even guarding White. And when we put both of these two on the floor together, there is zero perimeter offense on the floor.
                      Bella looked good agaisnt Hawaii and looks like a deer in the headlights since. Very sloppy and looks pouty on the bench since Muira returned.

                      Why aren’t we equally discussing the inept wing play? Sanders looks disinterested and makes poor decisions with the ball. She never passes and when she doesn’t know what to do, she just shoots it. She is shooting 31% from the floor and that’s counting an efficient first game. She’s 9-34 since and constantly coasting on the wing. Reed was supposed to be a major upgrade but what is she bringing? Solid shooting percentage but not even averaging double figures and only 2.5 rebounds per game in 27 minutes per game. She is playing with the same stoic, disinterested demeanor as Sanders. In the Western Michigan game, the team got rolling with those two on the bench. At what point do you shake things up and give others a chance?

                      Our offense is a mess. We are best when pushing the ball. Our quick hitters are very ineffective and our main offense is standing and watching us try to pound the ball into posts that can’t finish. There is no flow or continuity to our offense. We are determined to pound it in to posts that can’t win their match up. Yet if we ran action to create switches and mismatches, then we could win the post up which would draw help and also free up perimeter shooting. The coaches need to hold the players accountable to be productive when on the floor. They also need to hold themselves accountable and realize the current offensive philosophy isn’t working.

                      Caldwell, Sanders and Reed are eating up a lot of minutes and not producing for the minutes they get. Jenkins does a spin move every time in the paint and Jackson and Akunwafo can’t finish with their left hand to save their lives. We need Pili back and Marshall needs more minutes. I would like to see Muira at the PG spot and I would also like to see Campbell get more reps. She keeps getting limited minutes but can shoot the ball well and also is vocal on the floor and seems to have a much better IQ and feel on the offensive end. White doesn’t bring anything right now and Caldwell needs less minutes. We are lacking leadership yet again.

                      The coaching was also shaky when we were getting crushed defensively and waited until we were down 25 to switch into a zone.

                      We looked like a 9-10th best PAC-12 team yesterday. To use the excuse that it’s because it was a really good team is a cop out. Losing a close game to them would be one thing. Getting beat by 30 at home shows how far away we are from being a tournament caliber team.
                      It's not about making Desi a scorer It's about agression. And I get the anger and frustration but this team was dominating lesser teams and they ran up against a team that never faltered and played consistent high level basketball.

                      It didn't help that we played bad and got frustrated because things didn't go our way. This is the type of game where good staffs teach and teams learn and grow. Truth is Sanders and Reed are playing just fine outside of this game. Jenkins has struggled some but the talent is there. Marshall plays starter minutes now andnat some points I could see her starting but I also like the concept of her coming off the bench and being a total mismatch.

                      We'll see how we look against good competition at this Cancun tournament. The Seton Hall game should push our ladies again. D1 level talent to play against.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by StopNPop View Post
                        #5 ranked recruiting class in 2019
                        #7 ranked recruiting class in 2021

                        Sounds to me like we have talent. Need a staff to figure out how to mesh it. And we’ve added a few grad transfers to that mix. We’re still young and growing but there are pieces to be Top 25 if we start doing the intangibles at a higher level and get a better philosophical approach on both ends of the floor, even though it’s already vastly improved from last year. Still need to be willing to tweak and change what isn’t working along the journey.
                        Up until this game it was working. I'm sure this staff has looked at the game and will adjust. And yes we've had some good recruiting classes but a big piece is missing from those classes. Endyia Rogers at the point. She was an excellent player. I don't want to hear the she shout us out of games argument when for to long she was the only player that could create her own shot. Kept us alive in many games and played good defense.

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                        • #27
                          Endiya was very talented. She could disappear on the defensive end when her shot wasn’t falling and her shot selection was questionable at times. But, that may have to do with having to do too much and thus feeling the need to force some shots. When her shot was hitting, she was really, really good on both ends. You’re correct, she’s very good at creating her own shot and that is a big piece from those classes.

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