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    This week, UConn is 25th in the AP, UCLA is 27th, Colorado 28th, and USC 30th. I read one member’s logic of how he voted, and found it interesting, and also revealing of the implicit bias a program like USC faces.

    In his column, Berman says he put UConn at 25 due to their wins over Marquette and Butler. Marquette is 6-6, and Butler is 3-6. He also credits them for their win over USC.

    And Berman actually ranks UCLA at 21, crediting their wins against Arizona (9-3) and ASU (4-5), as well as 6-6 Marquette. He does not use this logic to credit USC for wins against the same two teams, by larger margins, or for the win against 9-3 BYU.

    USC is 16 in the NET, while UConn is 21, and UCLA is 31. Colorado is 11, but they also have one more loss. Obviously there is a lot of nuance here (UCLA beat Colorado who USC lost to). But it seems to me UConn and UCLA are given more recognition for equal or lesser victories than USC. Just an example of the uphill PR battle USC bball had to face.
    It's time to send another Top 25 men's basketball ballot to the Associated Press.

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    Originally posted by Trojan2011 View Post
    This week, UConn is 25th in the AP, UCLA is 27th, Colorado 28th, and USC 30th. I read one member’s logic of how he voted, and found it interesting, and also revealing of the implicit bias a program like USC faces.

    In his column, Berman says he put UConn at 25 due to their wins over Marquette and Butler. Marquette is 6-6, and Butler is 3-6. He also credits them for their win over USC.

    And Berman actually ranks UCLA at 21, crediting their wins against Arizona (9-3) and ASU (4-5), as well as 6-6 Marquette. He does not use this logic to credit USC for wins against the same two teams, by larger margins, or for the win against 9-3 BYU.

    USC is 16 in the NET, while UConn is 21, and UCLA is 31. Colorado is 11, but they also have one more loss. Obviously there is a lot of nuance here (UCLA beat Colorado who USC lost to). But it seems to me UConn and UCLA are given more recognition for equal or lesser victories than USC. Just an example of the uphill PR battle USC bball had to face.
    Always been difficult for USC to get any type of respect from the national pundits. Just have to keep winning & playing tough in losses to take care of that. We are definitely a tournament team.

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    • #3
      It kind of balances out though. We’re always rated higher than we should be in football.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Globe View Post
        It kind of balances out though. We’re always rated higher than we should be in football.
        Not always - just since Helton became head coach.

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        • #5
          It would be nice if they could remain in the rankings too, though there have been weeks where they remained in the rankings for quite a while (2016-2017).

          Could you imagine if this team finished in the top 10 rankings, that would be nuts.

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          • #6
            I'm actually good with that ranking. If you look at the PAC12 standings, we've gotten fat off of the bottom half of the teams - this week included. We should sweep UCR and the Washington schools, putting us at 11-2. I'm guessing that'll get us in the top 25. Then, we better win the games against the stronger half of the conference to prove we earned it.

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            • #7
              Lunardi has us as an 8 seed at least! Thats a good sign!

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              • TroyWonder
                TroyWonder commented
                Editing a comment
                Nice. Part of me wants SC to be the 7/10 seed because then you dont have to play the 1 seed till the Elite 8 (assuming both teams went that far). I'm hoping SC can win enough to get a 6th seed. Location no longer matters since it's all in Indy.

            • #8
              It's the same every season, they rank based on previous seasons. Just like football. There's no way Virginia should be ranked in the top 20 right now based on their record. Same with Duke.

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