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  • Question for all the Enfield haters

    After losses, I always see comments and threads disparaging Enfield as a really bad coach and as one of the worst in the Pac-12. Based on these comments, I am assuming you believe Enfield is holding back the team's potential and want him replaced. So, who are the coaches that you would want to replace Enfield that USC would have a realistic chance of hiring?

    I ask this because if you truly believe Enfield is that bad of a coach, it should be easy to come up with coaches that would make the program better. I am curious as to who these coaches would be.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Btif View Post
    After losses, I always see comments and threads disparaging Enfield as a really bad coach and as one of the worst in the Pac-12. Based on these comments, I am assuming you believe Enfield is holding back the team's potential and want him replaced. So, who are the coaches that you would want to replace Enfield that USC would have a realistic chance of hiring?

    I ask this because if you truly believe Enfield is that bad of a coach, it should be easy to come up with coaches that would make the program better. I am curious as to who these coaches would be.
    Good luck with getting any responses other than this one.

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    • #3
      Lol! Crickets

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      • #4
        I'm on team CAE but WSU's coach looks like he has a high ceiling. Last year people mentioned the head coaches at Wright State and Dayton as good possibilities as well.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by usernamealreadytaken2 View Post
          I'm on team CAE but WSU's coach looks like he has a high ceiling. Last year people mentioned the head coaches at Wright State and Dayton as good possibilities as well.
          Great observation my brother.
          In Year 2, I see Coach Smith making a very nice jump with this WSU program.
          They're gonna be in the March Madness mix in a year or 2.
          Was quite surprised with their hustle and 'never give up' attitude this past Saturday vs the Trojans.
          Excellent effort that almost got them the upset.

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          • #6
            I hear Calipari and Coach K are dying for the USC job.

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            • #7
              I think I'm in between. Will criticize, wish he was a better gameday coach, but also he's about the best we're going to do. Definitely the best basketball recruiter at USC since I've been following. He has had enough talent for at least one Elite 8, Final 4(?) type run or two.

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              • sketch76
                sketch76 commented
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                pretty good post
                Defense has improved huge Somebody is coaching it
                Recruiting obviously improved huge Floyd had it going . This is better Usc has never been 9-10 deep as this team is.
                Offense/game management is a little awkward. That's where the improvement is needed before it can make runs in the tournament.

                Yes this is about where USC Basketball will be,,, 20 wins a year......

            • #8
              Tad Boyle.

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              • #9
                Floyd did have recruiting going but let’s be honest....

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                • sketch76
                  sketch76 commented
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                  I left something out. Both Derrick Williams and Salmon Hill were local Products. LA Mirada and I forgot where Hill was from but he was local , so the comments about Floyd not recruiting locally is factually incorrect. completely not supported by any facts.

                • Sparjan
                  Sparjan commented
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                  Hill was from Fairfax. Teammate of Sidney’s right?

                • TroyD
                  TroyD commented
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                  I think Enfield is doing ok but Floyd did not leave the program in shambles. MG threw the basketball program under the bus and he would do it aging with the Bland situation, no questions asked.
                  Last edited by TroyD; 01-19-2021, 06:23 PM.

              • #10
                Some of the Enfield lovers could stand to lighten up a little. We're all on the same side here and we're all entitled to our opinions.

                Do I have a replacement in mind who would be interested in coming to SC - no. But I still believe Enfield has a ceiling that one day will stop being acceptable. And as I've said many times I hope he proves me wrong.

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                • #11
                  He has a ceiling? Okay, I get it's a metaphor, but it's also a cliche, and it's way overused. Mostly it tells me nothing.

                  What does this even mean? If Enfield had the US olympic team would he be unable to beat Spain? Does their coach not have a ceiling? Does he have one that's just a little higher?

                  A lot of people spend so much time watching ESPN that -- in their minds it seems -- the silly rhetoric has replaced reality.
                  ​​​​​​
                  I want to see us win more often; we all do. Maybe we're all just afflicted with pandemic boredom. But this discussion has now offically become ludicrous.

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                  • sketch76
                    sketch76 commented
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                    I looked it up Solomon Hill Played At Fairfax. about 10 miles fro USC. Pretty local. All PAC12 his junior year. correction

                  • Globe
                    Globe commented
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                    Ok Mickey, by ceiling I mean with Enfield I think we’ll be an eternal bubble area team. Sometimes a little above the bubble, sometimes firmly on it and sometimes below it. I don’t think he’s a good enough game coach, fundamentals coach or player developer to take us to the next level. He’s been at SC for 7 years or so and have we ever seemed more than a bubble team? How many tournament games have we won with him? And yes, I realize bubble level is higher than where we’ve been for most of the last 40 years. But I don’t believe he’s capable of taking us beyond that and in 4 or 5 years everyone will realize it.

                • #12
                  BTW. Floyd was the first USC coach in History to win 20 games or more in 3 consecutive seasons

                  Won 17 games his first year 17-12
                  Then. 20 plus games in year 2,3,4,
                  Andy Enfield was the second. which is good.
                  Not BOYD
                  Not Bibby
                  Not Sam Barry
                  Not Stan Morrison
                  Not Forrest Twogood

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                  • #13
                    Originally posted by Globe View Post
                    Some of the Enfield lovers could stand to lighten up a little. We're all on the same side here and we're all entitled to our opinions.

                    Do I have a replacement in mind who would be interested in coming to SC - no. But I still believe Enfield has a ceiling that one day will stop being acceptable. And as I've said many times I hope he proves me wrong.
                    I don't think it's about us being Enfield lovers.
                    It's about us being USC BB lovers.
                    I was 100% behind Floyd and I'm 100% behind CAE.
                    sketch76 just posted that TF had nothing to do with recruiting OJ Mayo. That he just fell into the coach's lap. Well, I still hold Floyd responsible for the roster decisions. He was the head coach.
                    Anyhow, it's pretty stupid to say what TF would have done with this roster. I don't remember him taking the Trojans to the Final Four.
                    Right now I'm all about what have you done for me lately. For me that means the end of last season and beating the Ruins and a sure-fire spot in the tourney.
                    The start to this season has been excellent.
                    USC is back in the national spotlight.
                    Let's keep working and taking care of business.
                    FTFO and beat the Beavers!!!

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                    • #14
                      Some believe they can predict the future. I myself believe that god speaks to me with the voices of the squirrels in the oak trees in my yard.

                      We're all entitled to our beliefs.

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                      • #15
                        Originally posted by sketch76 View Post
                        BTW. Floyd was the first USC coach in History to win 20 games or more in 3 consecutive seasons

                        Won 17 games his first year 17-12
                        Then. 20 plus games in year 2,3,4,
                        Andy Enfield was the second. which is good.
                        Not BOYD
                        Not Bibby
                        Not Sam Barry
                        Not Stan Morrison
                        Not Forrest Twogood
                        No one is claiming Floyd wasn't a good coach.

                        But there are some inconvenient facts about his rosters.

                        First, he inherited Gabe Pruitt, Nick Young and Lod Stewart, who keyed his run to the Sweet 16.

                        Second, Floyd's recruitment of LA-and California-area high schools during his tenure was lousy. Now, keep in mind that while he did bring in some very good players from California like Taj Gibson and Nikola Vucevic, these (as well as a couple others) were from a shady basketball factory called Stoneridge Prep, and not from traditional LA schools where USC could benefit long term by the association with those recruits. Outside of DeMar Derozan, who was a one-and-done, Floyd was absolutely decimated in LA high school recruiting and established little or no pipelines with local coaches. He much preferred to rely on gimmicks and old connections and other shady means to produce his classes. He never established USC as a recruiting force in So Cal.

                        Lastly, look at the names of many of the recruits he took. These were brought in INSTEAD of very gettable California names like James Harden, Klay Thompson, Paul George, Damian Lillard and Kawhi Leonard.

                        And he left the program on probation and in disarray. Every major coach in America knew not to touch Mayo. Floyd (and USC) thought they could get away with dealing with his handler, who just so happened to be the same guy who had gotten USC in trouble 8 years earlier. It was sheer stupidity and hubris.

                        What Enfield has done is what no USC coach has been able to do for a long, long time: Establish USC as a legitimate option for local stars and not just a place to go if UCLA doesn't offer you. The stability he has brought in recruiting is what will ensure the program doesn't drop off a cliff the next time we have to hire a coach, the way we did after Floyd left.


                        2006 class
                        Taj Gibson - Stoneridge Prep
                        Daniel Hackett
                        Kevin Galloway
                        Casey Cunningham - New Mexico
                        Kyle Austin
                        Dwight Lewis - Texas

                        2007
                        OJ Mayo - West Virginia
                        Davon Jefferson. - NC
                        Mamadou Diarra Stone Ridge
                        Marcus Simmons - Louisiana
                        Angelo Johnson - Stone Ridge

                        2008
                        DeMar Derozan - Compton
                        Leonard Washington - Compton
                        Nikola Vucevic - Stoneridge
                        Dante Smith - JC
                        James Blaszyck - Texas
                        Romeo Miller

                        2009
                        Evan Smith
                        Daniel Munoz

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