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  • #1

    Trojans Out Coached Saturday

    I wanted to take a day to digest Saturday's game....so I took two. No, I'm not worried about the loss. The sky is not falling. I didn't want the team going into the tournament with the unnecessary pressure of a long winning streak. ..and you can always find good takeaways from a loss. I didn't like losing to the wildcats, but I did come away with a few uncomfortable observations.

    1 - OUT COACHED: No two ways about it. I love Andy, but he and his staff had a bad day at the office. Sean Miller did an excellent job attacking Evan early, and identifying who he wanted to isolate against. Their offense executed beautifully in half court sets against us all night long - one of the more impressive team efforts I've seen against our top 10 defense all season long. I love it when a coach game plans to attack an opponents best player early with intent of making them work on defense, and potentially getting a quick foul or two. There aren't many things that can change the outcome of a game like taking a star player off the court with a couple early fouls. Besides the obvious limiting minutes, players tend to come back a little tentative, which can completely change the narrative. It's Captain Obvious genius. We don't do it enough. Akinjo overplays on defense, so he was ripe for an early foul. He had the benefit of limited fouls all game long, and was able to find his stride on both sides of the court. (Stanford's daSilva's fouls were of his own accord.) We're the better team, but Saturday, AZ came to play and took it to us.

    2 - ROTATION CONCERNS: YMCA rotation rules? It's great to have a deep team, but Max's minutes are absolutely crushing us. He's shooting a whopping 31% from the field this season - easily the worst on the team. I keep reading on the message board "Max can shoot 3's." He's shooting a disastrous 20.5% from 3PT. Given Max's actual touch ratio, hit assist-to-turnover ratio is terrible (basically 1:1) ...and they're almost always unforced errors. He played fine on defense Saturday, but he wasn't a difference-maker. Max's offense is just absent right now. He's clearly going to need the offseason. Ethan Anderson wasn't having a good game, and his late minutes cost us. Ethan has been much improved from outside - especially as a spot-up shooter. He does struggle to create his own shot, and although he brings toughness, he still picks up his dribble in half court sets and gets himself in trouble - just an immature thing to do for a D1 starting PG. (He does this due to his lack of confidence as a dribbler.) When we cut the score to 3 late, Max and Ethan were both in for a rotation and my son asked me, "How are we going to score?" Sure enough, AZ quickly ran the lead back to 10 and it felt like a mountain to overcome. Those two played a combined full basketball game out there (37 minutes; 0/5 shooting; 2/4 FT), and while neither played terrible, there was an important stretch late in the game when they both seemed obvious offensive liabilities. I've been pining for this - PLEASE ANDY!! Let Noah play. In 7 of his last 9 games, Noah has played single-digit minutes. Very few players find offensive confidence/continuity in such limited minutes. IMO, he is the missing piece to our championship run, and we still have not figured out how to get him the ball. Noah needs 12-15 minutes/game, so he can find his rhythm. This short-leash thing is killing his confidence.

    3 - FREE THROWS ARE A MESS: Goodness. Tournament runs end on this stat alone all the time. Evan is holding down the fort right now.

    Arizona shot well. They also got every single loose ball, and a slew of offensive rebounds. That needs to change. ...but sometimes it's just not your night.

    But tonight.... It's DUCK season!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-k5J4RxQdE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyPFQKpRnd0
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  • #2
    SC MOJO, good post. The player I would like to see Is Reese Waters. This is a top recruit whose rep is as a shooter and scorer. That is what we need right now. We don't have enough players on the ream who can put the ball through the net. Noah has been a disappointment in the opportunities he has gotten. He is shooting 34% from the three which isn't awful but it's hardly what you are looking for as your "designated" shooter. He also has been awful from the foul line and really hurt the team with two missed free throws at a crucial time.
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    • SC MOJO
      #2.1
      SC MOJO commented
      02-22-2021, 03:40 PM
      Editing a comment
      I totally agree with Waters. I saw him play HS ball, and that kids can stroke it! Baumann is arguably our best outside shooter, even though his metrics support that. He has proven it at the D1 level before, and he supposedly kills it in practice too. I just think it's tough to play limited minutes and know that if your first shot or two misses, or you miss one assignment - you're coming out. He's definitely pressing.
  • #3
    I do think Enfield needs to have a response to physicality. His teams have struggled with physical teams over the years. They will continue to push his teams around until he has a response. I did like the penetration early in the Arizona game and why he went away from it to me is a question. To add to Marty46r's point, on players he would like to see, I would like to see Coulibaly get some minutes, maybe some of Goodwin's. I like his athleticism and I think he might be a good force down low. Positive thoughts for the team going forward.
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    • SC MOJO
      #3.1
      SC MOJO commented
      02-22-2021, 03:42 PM
      Editing a comment
      Coulibaly is a strong defensive player with limited offensive skills. I wouldn't recommend adding anybody new to the mix who couldn't score at this point. We're playing really well - I think we just need to settle into more of a typical 8-man rotation, and find somebody who can stretch the floor....before it's too late.
  • #4
    man your #2 point reminded me of a moment late in the game where someone turned it over and andy frustratingly turned to max and told him to sub in. like.... we are down 10 with 2 mins left!!!! we NEED offense. max is not the solution here.
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    • SC MOJO
      #4.1
      SC MOJO commented
      02-22-2021, 03:44 PM
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      Right-on-target trojanball. That's what I'm talking about. CAE must think Max is an NBA baller. lol
  • #5
    These takes about Max remind me of little kids in youth soccer chasing the ball around the field.

    Max is playing because when he plays the team performs better than all but two other players on the team. End of story. It’s not just about shooting.

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    • SC MOJO
      #5.1
      SC MOJO commented
      02-22-2021, 03:48 PM
      Editing a comment
      I couldn't disagree with you more MNH. The next time you see a "difference-making" play from Max, note the timestamp of the game. I'll save my recording. (It would be his first.) Heck - let's start here - just note his positive plays, and then subtract his turnovers, and the times he gets beat in isolation. ...and then we'll do the math together. (No need to look at his offensive metrics, which detract from the team in every regard.)

      I will literally watch the game with pen and pad in hand today.
    • engineerTrojan9
      #5.2
      engineerTrojan9 commented
      02-23-2021, 08:35 AM
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      I agree totally w SC MOJO.
      May be the coach is playing Max to give him more game experience for he will really needed the next year.
  • #6
    I was actually gonna start a topic about Max vs. Noah...

    And I was gonna side with Max tbh. Neither of them is playing as well as we would like, but I think Noah on defense just isn't effective at all - and our team needs to be built on defense.

    I think Max plays harder and has gotten one or two steals for us which I like. If Noah start shooting well then by all means put him in, he's definitely better on offense, but I think Max plays the team game better, and the coaches obviously see this.

    CAE mentioned that when a player tried to change their shot they often have to hit rock bottom first. I hope this is where max Is at and that he bounces back soon
    On defense, Max is by no means our staunchest defender... But I think he makes it more difficult to score than when Noah is guarding anyone.

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    • Trojan2021
      #6.2
      Trojan2021 commented
      02-22-2021, 04:06 PM
      Editing a comment
      I think the argument for keeping Max in there is that: on D, they can target our weakest link, but on O... Max just has to pass it to Evan.

      Playing a 4v5 sucks but, well, thats why he doesnt get much pt.
    • MeltonNotHelton
      #6.3
      MeltonNotHelton commented
      02-22-2021, 11:23 PM
      Editing a comment
      Max had 7 points and no turnovers tonight, played great defense and hit a huge dagger 3. Acknowledge it, don't hide from it.
    • SC MOJO
      #6.4
      SC MOJO commented
      02-23-2021, 11:49 AM
      Editing a comment
      MNH - Not hiding. This was definitely a good game for Max with fewer errors and mistakes. It was hist first game without a TO - is he turning a corner? He had a few nice defensive stops, drove hard to the basket for an early dunk, and made a late outside shot. I'm happy for Max, and was glad to see him limiting his mistakes. Let's peel back the onion and not look through rose colored glasses:

      NITPICKING:

      - MA attacked the basket to dunk twice on breakouts in the second half without commitment....and his weakness ended up with two failures. The first one was blocked, and because he did not go up with 2 hands, there was no foul. On his second breakout dunk attempt, he was tentative, and again, it ended up in a failed attempt. He drew the foul (and made both shots), but it wasn't what coaches teach. It wasn't "Dunk City." It was not attacking the rim. It was soft.
      - MA's early dunk was against terrible defensive position. There was no help, because the post Duck defender rotated to baseline leverage.
      - MA got beat in rotation a few times on defense, but that happens to everybody. ...and MA's defense was the best I've seen it this season. (Let's go!)

      OBVIOUS:
      - MA played 25 minutes. With that large role, he shot 2/4 (40%), hit one of his two 3PT, and hit both FTs. He had 2 REB, 0 BLK, 0 STL and 7 total points.
      - Fact is, Max is still soft. He is still a little clumsy. He is often "behind the play." if you don't acknowledge this, you're just not watching.... or you don't want to see it/admit it. Max waved twice at a free-throw rebound in 2H. If you saw it, you could not help but recognize it was just a weak/clumsy play. At 8:23 in 2H, Max got a rebound, missed a 3 footer, and then had the ball somehow go through his legs, while he waived at it with delayed reaction. He was out of position for a Duarte three point shot, and in an attempt to recover, he left his feet and had a blow by block attempt where Duarte held the ball, and knocked down a big 2H three pointer. His feel for the game is still behind. It's coming along, but it's still deficient. For example, at 11:07 in 2H, Max had a breakout dunk opportunity. Again, he decided not to attack the rim hard, and dropped a late pass to Goodwin, but Goodwin was already stopped and didn't have space to do anything with it. It was just not a high IQ play - and a failed opportunity.

      I'm thrilled that Max was able to contribute, minimize mistakes, and help us win - which he definitely did. He is still giving up opportunities when he's on the court, but I'm proud of him for having the courage to take that last shot, and for understanding his role. This performance, all-in-all, was a "win" for Max! AND Trojans fans everywhere.
  • #7
    The identity of this year's team is defense, so not surprised to see Max get more minutes than Noah. Who gets to play, likely depends on who else is on the court. Max can take on and chase a team's better guards leaving Tahj to take on more of a help D role. When both Drew and White are struggling with their shot, Noah can pick up some of the slack and punish teams for collapsing too hard on the Mobleys.

    Arizona was the hungrier, better team on Saturday and USC will need to pick themselves off the mat to beat a good Oregon team. Who gets run should depend on who plays with better energy (defense and rebounds) and focus (no careless TOs and hitting open looks).

    Fight On, beat the Ducks!
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    • SC MOJO
      #7.1
      SC MOJO commented
      02-23-2021, 11:12 AM
      Editing a comment
      All good points. ...and what a great win last night! Now if we can just knock off Coach Boyle and his Buffaloes, what a week it would be!

      Fight On!
  • #8
    Not necessarily out coached. When 3/5 of the starters and their back ups cannot shoot, a coach can not do much.

    Max's defensive contribution is over blown. Noah can shoot.
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    • Trojan2021
      #8.1
      Trojan2021 commented
      02-22-2021, 04:13 PM
      Editing a comment
      I would agree with you on Max's D not being fantastic... if it was top tier he might be in there instead of Drew who hasnt done much for us on offense lately...

      However, I think Noah is just straight up a liability on defense so thats why max gets the PT... Will continue to watch both of them tonight.

      I also agree that we got outhustled on Saturday but as I mentioned before: we didnt have the same easy buckets and nice passes that we have been getting in the last few games on O... They made us take tough shots AND we had an off night. Getting easy shots is Offensive scheme; coach AE wasnt prepped for their defense.
  • #9
    Originally posted by SC MOJO View Post
    I wanted to take a day to digest Saturday's game....so I took two. No, I'm not worried about the loss. The sky is not falling. I didn't want the team going into the tournament with the unnecessary pressure of a long winning streak. ..and you can always find good takeaways from a loss. I didn't like losing to the wildcats, but I did come away with a few uncomfortable observations.

    1 - OUT COACHED: No two ways about it. I love Andy, but he and his staff had a bad day at the office. Sean Miller did an excellent job attacking Evan early, and identifying who he wanted to isolate against. Their offense executed beautifully in half court sets against us all night long - one of the more impressive team efforts I've seen against our top 10 defense all season long. I love it when a coach game plans to attack an opponents best player early with intent of making them work on defense, and potentially getting a quick foul or two. There aren't many things that can change the outcome of a game like taking a star player off the court with a couple early fouls. Besides the obvious limiting minutes, players tend to come back a little tentative, which can completely change the narrative. It's Captain Obvious genius. We don't do it enough. Akinjo overplays on defense, so he was ripe for an early foul. He had the benefit of limited fouls all game long, and was able to find his stride on both sides of the court. (Stanford's daSilva's fouls were of his own accord.) We're the better team, but Saturday, AZ came to play and took it to us.

    2 - ROTATION CONCERNS: YMCA rotation rules? It's great to have a deep team, but Max's minutes are absolutely crushing us. He's shooting a whopping 31% from the field this season - easily the worst on the team. I keep reading on the message board "Max can shoot 3's." He's shooting a disastrous 20.5% from 3PT. Given Max's actual touch ratio, hit assist-to-turnover ratio is terrible (basically 1:1) ...and they're almost always unforced errors. He played fine on defense Saturday, but he wasn't a difference-maker. Max's offense is just absent right now. He's clearly going to need the offseason. Ethan Anderson wasn't having a good game, and his late minutes cost us. Ethan has been much improved from outside - especially as a spot-up shooter. He does struggle to create his own shot, and although he brings toughness, he still picks up his dribble in half court sets and gets himself in trouble - just an immature thing to do for a D1 starting PG. (He does this due to his lack of confidence as a dribbler.) When we cut the score to 3 late, Max and Ethan were both in for a rotation and my son asked me, "How are we going to score?" Sure enough, AZ quickly ran the lead back to 10 and it felt like a mountain to overcome. Those two played a combined full basketball game out there (37 minutes; 0/5 shooting; 2/4 FT), and while neither played terrible, there was an important stretch late in the game when they both seemed obvious offensive liabilities. I've been pining for this - PLEASE ANDY!! Let Noah play. In 7 of his last 9 games, Noah has played single-digit minutes. Very few players find offensive confidence/continuity in such limited minutes. IMO, he is the missing piece to our championship run, and we still have not figured out how to get him the ball. Noah needs 12-15 minutes/game, so he can find his rhythm. This short-leash thing is killing his confidence.

    3 - FREE THROWS ARE A MESS: Goodness. Tournament runs end on this stat alone all the time. Evan is holding down the fort right now.

    Arizona shot well. They also got every single loose ball, and a slew of offensive rebounds. That needs to change. ...but sometimes it's just not your night.

    But tonight.... It's DUCK season!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-k5J4RxQdE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyPFQKpRnd0
    Duck season .. You called it lol 😆

    1. On Saturday, Miller out coached CAE.
    This evening, CAE out coached Altman.

    2. Rotation .. Not sure why Noah did not play, but happy with Max's effort tonight on both end. I know yout think he should not even play D1 basketball. That is bit harsh I think. I know Coaching staff know more about him than us- whether they see more good in practice or past game performance. Anyway, It work out well having him in the rotation and on the court ageing Oregon.

    3. FT . Still a mess .. Great call on this ... We shoot free throws like LeBron James lol .. .. But seriously, this could be our achilles heels in tournament .. Needs improvement big time..

    Fight On SC Mojo!

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    • SC MOJO
      #9.1
      SC MOJO commented
      02-23-2021, 11:52 AM
      Editing a comment
      Agree with all. CAE gets the nod here for sure - and with less than 24 hours to prepare, we were AMAZING! That Oregon team is a very good basketball team.

      Believe it or not, I was thrilled with Max's play. It was far from perfect, but he didn't turn the ball over. He is still soft, and that turns into the same thing (missed opportunities), but this was a big step forward for Max for sure.

      Fight On FightOn6665!
  • #10
      • I couldn't disagree with you more MNH. The next time you see a "difference-making" play from Max, note the timestamp of the game. I'll save my recording. (It would be his first.) Heck - let's start here - just note his positive plays, and then subtract his turnovers, and the times he gets beat in isolation. ...and then we'll do the math together. (No need to look at his offensive metrics, which detract from the team in every regard.)

        I will literally watch the game with pen and pad in hand today.
    Hey MOJO:

    Check out 3:16 left in the game.
    Max buries a 3 pointer to put USC back up by 13 with 3:16 left to play after Oregon had cut it to 10 (closest they'd been since 9-0).

    Totals: 7 points, no turnovers. Does that math work for you? Will you actually acknowledge that you were wrong?

    In addition, he played really good defense on Chris Duarte.

    Going into this game, here were our team's +/- ratings in conference games.
    Player Plus-Minus P-M per 100 Poss
    Tahj Eaddy +154.40 +10.00
    Evan Mobley +152.86 +9.86
    Max Agbonkpolo +69.44 +8.75
    Isaiah Mobley +114.75 +8.50
    Isaiah White +74.65 +7.50
    Drew Peterson +93.52 +7.15
    Ethan Anderson +45.78 +6.97
    Boubacar Coulibaly +1.99 +6.86
    Noah Baumann +31.71 +5.67
    Chevez Goodwin +25.13 +3.12
    You see, Max actually has the third-best +/- on this squad in conference games. Do you understand now why he plays and why you are wrong about this? The coaches know about these numbers and know more than you do about this topic and that's why Max plays as much as he does.


    Last edited by MeltonNotHelton; 02-22-2021, 11:22 PM.

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    • SC MOJO
      #10.1
      SC MOJO commented
      02-23-2021, 12:55 PM
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      LOL

      You just can not target one made basket to conclude a discussion. Debating doesn't work that way. I mean, it turned his 0% 3PT night into a 50% night, and we were already up by 10 points. But yes, it was absolutely a positive play. Max played a lot of minutes and had very little statistically to show for it. His 25Min, 2/5 (40%) 2 REB, 1 PF, 0 STL, 0 BLK 7 PT performance was nothing to write home about. That said, I thought he did a good job last night.

      Max's Assist to TO ratio, and more importantly "mistake per touch" is the factor to identify. It's not +/-. How many positive plays does a player individually contribute to?
      How many missed opportunities does a player contribute to? It's not always as simple as turnovers or a made 3 pt shot. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to watch our season and determine that Max is not a "plus" for the Trojans offense.

      Max had a good game. He played his best game of the season, imo. Let's just celebrate this moment together. I'm as happy about that as anybody.
      Last edited by SC MOJO; 02-23-2021, 12:57 PM.
  • #11
    I will not debate cc the point #1. Maybe so...... BUT Millers defensive strategy on Evan worked because our guards couldn't buy an outside shot..... forget about a 3. Had we been able to hit some shots Arizona couldn't have clogged that paint and hurt our inside game. IMHO
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    • #12
      Originally posted by SC MOJO View Post
      I wanted to take a day to digest Saturday's game....so I took two. No, I'm not worried about the loss. The sky is not falling. I didn't want the team going into the tournament with the unnecessary pressure of a long winning streak. ..and you can always find good takeaways from a loss. I didn't like losing to the wildcats, but I did come away with a few uncomfortable observations.

      1 - OUT COACHED: No two ways about it. I love Andy, but he and his staff had a bad day at the office. Sean Miller did an excellent job attacking Evan early, and identifying who he wanted to isolate against. Their offense executed beautifully in half court sets against us all night long - one of the more impressive team efforts I've seen against our top 10 defense all season long. I love it when a coach game plans to attack an opponents best player early with intent of making them work on defense, and potentially getting a quick foul or two. There aren't many things that can change the outcome of a game like taking a star player off the court with a couple early fouls. Besides the obvious limiting minutes, players tend to come back a little tentative, which can completely change the narrative. It's Captain Obvious genius. We don't do it enough. Akinjo overplays on defense, so he was ripe for an early foul. He had the benefit of limited fouls all game long, and was able to find his stride on both sides of the court. (Stanford's daSilva's fouls were of his own accord.) We're the better team, but Saturday, AZ came to play and took it to us.

      2 - ROTATION CONCERNS: YMCA rotation rules? It's great to have a deep team, but Max's minutes are absolutely crushing us. He's shooting a whopping 31% from the field this season - easily the worst on the team. I keep reading on the message board "Max can shoot 3's." He's shooting a disastrous 20.5% from 3PT. Given Max's actual touch ratio, hit assist-to-turnover ratio is terrible (basically 1:1) ...and they're almost always unforced errors. He played fine on defense Saturday, but he wasn't a difference-maker. Max's offense is just absent right now. He's clearly going to need the offseason. Ethan Anderson wasn't having a good game, and his late minutes cost us. Ethan has been much improved from outside - especially as a spot-up shooter. He does struggle to create his own shot, and although he brings toughness, he still picks up his dribble in half court sets and gets himself in trouble - just an immature thing to do for a D1 starting PG. (He does this due to his lack of confidence as a dribbler.) When we cut the score to 3 late, Max and Ethan were both in for a rotation and my son asked me, "How are we going to score?" Sure enough, AZ quickly ran the lead back to 10 and it felt like a mountain to overcome. Those two played a combined full basketball game out there (37 minutes; 0/5 shooting; 2/4 FT), and while neither played terrible, there was an important stretch late in the game when they both seemed obvious offensive liabilities. I've been pining for this - PLEASE ANDY!! Let Noah play. In 7 of his last 9 games, Noah has played single-digit minutes. Very few players find offensive confidence/continuity in such limited minutes. IMO, he is the missing piece to our championship run, and we still have not figured out how to get him the ball. Noah needs 12-15 minutes/game, so he can find his rhythm. This short-leash thing is killing his confidence.

      3 - FREE THROWS ARE A MESS: Goodness. Tournament runs end on this stat alone all the time. Evan is holding down the fort right now.

      Arizona shot well. They also got every single loose ball, and a slew of offensive rebounds. That needs to change. ...but sometimes it's just not your night.

      But tonight.... It's DUCK season!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-k5J4RxQdE

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyPFQKpRnd0
      Did Max steal your gf? I think Enfield is doing a pretty damn good job and he doesn't agree with you regarding Max.

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      • SC MOJO
        #12.1
        SC MOJO commented
        02-23-2021, 01:00 PM
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        My girls and well, but thank's or asking.

        =)

        Enfield's doing a great job. I second that. Nobody's perfect, either. Just sharing perspective with experience.
    • #13
      Originally posted by TroyD View Post

      Did Max steal your gf? I think Enfield is doing a pretty damn good job and he doesn't agree with you regarding Max.
      He will refuse to acknowledge anything positive Max does.

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      • SC MOJO
        #13.1
        SC MOJO commented
        02-23-2021, 01:03 PM
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        Wow. I hadn't seen this post yet. OK. Now you're just being unreasonable. lol

        Don't H8. I'm just calling it like I see it. ...and I'll always give credit where I see it's due. Imperfect as it was, I would definitely call last night a step in the right direction. Here's hoping it continues!
    • #14
      Originally posted by MeltonNotHelton View Post
        • I couldn't disagree with you more MNH. The next time you see a "difference-making" play from Max, note the timestamp of the game. I'll save my recording. (It would be his first.) Heck - let's start here - just note his positive plays, and then subtract his turnovers, and the times he gets beat in isolation. ...and then we'll do the math together. (No need to look at his offensive metrics, which detract from the team in every regard.)

          I will literally watch the game with pen and pad in hand today.
      Hey MOJO:

      Check out 3:16 left in the game.
      Max buries a 3 pointer to put USC back up by 13 with 3:16 left to play after Oregon had cut it to 10 (closest they'd been since 9-0).

      Totals: 7 points, no turnovers. Does that math work for you? Will you actually acknowledge that you were wrong?

      In addition, he played really good defense on Chris Duarte.

      Going into this game, here were our team's +/- ratings in conference games.
      Player Plus-Minus P-M per 100 Poss
      Tahj Eaddy +154.40 +10.00
      Evan Mobley +152.86 +9.86
      Max Agbonkpolo +69.44 +8.75
      Isaiah Mobley +114.75 +8.50
      Isaiah White +74.65 +7.50
      Drew Peterson +93.52 +7.15
      Ethan Anderson +45.78 +6.97
      Boubacar Coulibaly +1.99 +6.86
      Noah Baumann +31.71 +5.67
      Chevez Goodwin +25.13 +3.12
      You see, Max actually has the third-best +/- on this squad in conference games. Do you understand now why he plays and why you are wrong about this? The coaches know about these numbers and know more than you do about this topic and that's why Max plays as much as he does.

      This poster has no clue about advanced metrics. Advance stats that coaches pay to see that tell you more than your casual "well Max went 1 for 4, he's a liability."

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      • #15
        Originally posted by MeltonNotHelton View Post
          • I couldn't disagree with you more MNH. The next time you see a "difference-making" play from Max, note the timestamp of the game. I'll save my recording. (It would be his first.) Heck - let's start here - just note his positive plays, and then subtract his turnovers, and the times he gets beat in isolation. ...and then we'll do the math together. (No need to look at his offensive metrics, which detract from the team in every regard.)

            I will literally watch the game with pen and pad in hand today.
        Hey MOJO:

        Check out 3:16 left in the game.
        Max buries a 3 pointer to put USC back up by 13 with 3:16 left to play after Oregon had cut it to 10 (closest they'd been since 9-0).

        Totals: 7 points, no turnovers. Does that math work for you? Will you actually acknowledge that you were wrong?

        In addition, he played really good defense on Chris Duarte.

        Going into this game, here were our team's +/- ratings in conference games.
        Player Plus-Minus P-M per 100 Poss
        Tahj Eaddy +154.40 +10.00
        Evan Mobley +152.86 +9.86
        Max Agbonkpolo +69.44 +8.75
        Isaiah Mobley +114.75 +8.50
        Isaiah White +74.65 +7.50
        Drew Peterson +93.52 +7.15
        Ethan Anderson +45.78 +6.97
        Boubacar Coulibaly +1.99 +6.86
        Noah Baumann +31.71 +5.67
        Chevez Goodwin +25.13 +3.12
        You see, Max actually has the third-best +/- on this squad in conference games. Do you understand now why he plays and why you are wrong about this? The coaches know about these numbers and know more than you do about this topic and that's why Max plays as much as he does.

        He also hit 2 important FT's to extend the lead and finished a fiery dunk. And that's outside of the defense he provided. I understand Max can be one of the most frustrating players on the roster as his mistakes really make you wince (freshman level mistakes), but he does bring stark defense and great energy (which the numbers back up). Even if you aren't a fan, it's hard not to give credit where credit is due. But, I'm expecting the pitchforks to come out if he makes a big mistake in the coming games.

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