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  • WORLD-BEATER UTES & 20 THINGS

    Wow. That was terrible. After failure to launch in Colorado, we made the Utes look like World Beaters. other than Peterson getting back on track, and Isaiah White and Ethan proving their toughness as usual, tonight was one to forget.

    20 THINGS I NOTICED:

    1-Once again, we made a sub-par team look amazing.
    2-Once again, another team shot well from outside the arc against our once feared defense.
    3-Once again, we struggled from outside the arc, despite the resurrection of Drew Peterson's game.
    4-Once again, we struggled mightily on offense in half court sets. This is a coaching problem.
    5-Tonights performance by Evan has me wondering where I would take him in the upcoming draft. (it would not be in the top two.)
    6-Ethan, Tahj Isaiah White and Drew proved, once again, that they are the toughest players on our team. Those four would kill to get a loose ball, stop a defender, or take a game winning shot.
    7-Rotation issues coming back to haunt CAE. (See more in BONUS) Chemistry is becoming a "thing."
    8-Players stopping on plays (actually giving up on plays) is disturbing. I saw it at least 5x tonight.
    9-Really good teams put their foot on the throats of mediocre teams. We just don't do that.
    10-Free-throw shooting still continues to be our achilles heel.
    11-Our high-low game is MIA. What's going on?
    12-Our weak-side defense was terrible all night long. We help to double the low post, exposing open shooters. That's not advisable in today's NCAA. Shooters are just too good.
    13-Evan has yet to take our team and put it on his back for a 5 minute stint in the clutch. I know he's capable. But I'm waiting for him to close out a good one against a good team and be dominant.
    14-This was an embarrassing loss, especially given the absence of Rylan Jones - arguably their best player
    15-Despite a cast of underperforming players, Max continued to have the most frustrating turnovers. If he were 6'2", he would not be on an NCAA D1 roster. Anywhere. Length-yes. D1 talent-no. Cut bait.
    16-Noah's presence pulled a defender outside, and we were still not able to take advantage of beneficial spacing. That's a problem
    17-I can't help wonder if tenure was the only criteria for CAE awarding captainship. Isaiah and Ethan are not our best decision makers or play-makers. Ethan is tough. Tahj was neglected here.
    18-The referees didn't help us here, but they were most definitely not the reason we lost tonight.
    19-Isaiah Mobley's start to games has been miserable. I know he's coming off of a lower body injury. but geesh. Get to the rim or the foul line early! ...then again....
    20-Peterson made the most of his minutes tonight. That's a great sign.

    The sky is not falling, but this is not the way to head into the post-season. Barring a 5 game winning streak, any hope of a 3 or 4 seed is pretty much washed up.


    BONUS: The coaching staff needs to start figuring out rotations so we can build more team chemistry. Whatever the final rotations are going to look like, we're struggling. Max's minutes are dwindling, but they're still painful. Tonight, we were up 20-14 when Max clanked an air-ball three, and subsequently turned the ball over on offense with another offensive foul. A dropped ball out of bounds on an easy pass had most of the free world wondering why he was out there. Giving them three extra possessions (yes, I'm including the absolute air ball as a TO) was killer in the big picture as the Utes gained confidence and kept the game close through the balance of the first half - eventually building a lead we could not overcome. By NO means did Max lose this game for us...but he sure as heck didn't help as we were trying to establish ourselves in the first 10 minutes. So who to turn to? Noah was held in check by tight defensive coverage, and we could not take advantage of the open spacing that provided. Despite no turnovers, Noah did not play exceptional defense. Reese Waters got in late, shot an ill-advised long three pointer that didn't fall, and had an athletic block...before saying something unsportsmanlike to his opponent drawing a technical. Immature, to be sure. There is no question he is a better athlete/player than Max, and potentially Noah. ...but can he grow up quickly enough and play within himself? His lack of minutes has cost him any sense of comfort on the court, and his immature decisions tonight likely cost him minutes from here on out. I do know this kid is a player....can score...and can knock down the outside shot. Tonight was not a step forward for our future stud. Starting the offense through Ethan instead of through Tahj or Drew still seems unwise to me. Ethan isn't creating enough opportunities for his teammates. There is no question chemistry (something we haven't talked much about when we're winning, but an obvious weakness for a team so new to each other) is a disadvantage for us compared to most teams we play. I have noticed that our players have never looked more unsure... Needless to say, it's bad timing for that. There are a lot of one-on-one possessions, and very few successfully executed motion half-court sets of some sort (...unless you're talking about our opponents). CAE had better figure out who he's going to turn to, so that group can spend as much time together as possible. Personally, I've seen enough of #23.
    Last edited by SC MOJO; 03-03-2021, 03:39 PM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by SC MOJO View Post
    Wow. That was terrible. After failure to launch in Colorado, we made the Utes look like World Beaters. other than Peterson getting bak on track, and Isaiah White and Ethan proving their toughness, once again, tonight was one to forget.

    20 THINGS I NOTICED:




    1-Once again, we made a sub-par team look amazing.
    2-Once again, another team shot well from outside the arc against our once feared defense.
    3-Once again, we struggled from outside the arc, despite the resurrection of Drew Peterson's game.
    4-Once again, we struggled mightily on offense in half court sets. This is a coaching problem.
    5-Tonights performance by Evan has me wondering where I would take him in the upcoming draft. (it would not be int he top two.)
    6-Ethan, Tahj Isaiah White and Drew proved, once again, that they are the toughest players on our team. Those four would kill to get a loose ball, stop a defender, or take a game winning shot.
    7-Rotation issues coming back to haunt CAE. (See more in BONUS) Chemistry is becoming a "thing."
    8-Players stopping on plays (actually giving up on plays) is disturbing. I saw it at least 5x tonight.
    9-Truly good teams put their foot on the throats of mediocre teams. We just don't do that.
    10-Free-throw shooting still continues to be our achilles heel.
    11-Our high-low game is MIA. What's going on?
    12-Our weak-side defense was terrible all night long. We help to double the low post, exposing open shooters. That's not advisable in today's NCAA. Shooters are just too good.
    13-Evan has yet to take our team and put it on his back for a 5 minute stint in the clutch. I know he's capable. But I'm waiting for him to close out a good one against a good team and be dominant.
    14-This was an embarrassing loss, especially given the absence of Rylan Jones - arguably their best player
    15-Despite a cast of underperforming players, Max continued to have the most frustrating turnovers. If he were 6'2", he would not be on an NCAA D1 roster. Anywhere. Length-yes. D1 talent-no. Cut bait.
    16-Noah's presence pulled a defender outside, and we were still not able to take advantage of beneficial spacing. That's a problem
    17-I can't help wonder if tenure was the only criteria for CAE awarding captainship. Isaiah and Ethan are not our best decision makers or play-makers. Ethan is tough. Tahj was neglected here.
    18-The referees didn't help us here, but they were most definitely not the reason we lost tonight.
    19-Isaiah Mobley's start to games has been miserable. I know he's coming off of a lower body injury. but geesh. Get to the rim or the foul line early! ...then again....
    20-The sky is not falling, but this is not the way to head into the post-season. Any hope of a 3 or 4 seed is pretty much washed up.


    BONUS: The coaching staff needs to start figuring out rotations so we can build more team chemistry. Whatever the final rotations are going to look like, we're struggling. Max's minutes are dwindling, but they're still painful. Tonight, we were up 20-14 when Max clanked an air-ball three, and subsequently turned the ball over on offense with another offensive foul. A dropped ball out of bounds on an easy pass had most of the free world wondering why he was out there. Giving them three extra possessions (yes, I'm including the absolute air ball as a TO) was killer in the big picture as the Utes gained confidence and kept the game close through the balance of the first half - eventually building a lead we could not overcome. By NO means did Max lose this game for us...but he sure as heck didn't help as we were trying to establish ourselves in the first 10 minutes. So who to turn to? Noah was held in check by tight defensive coverage, and we could not take advantage of the open spacing that provided. Despite no turnovers, Noah did not play exceptional defense. Reese Waters got in late, shot an ill-advised long three pointer that didn't fall, and had an athletic block...before saying something unsportsmanlike to his opponent drawing a technical. Immature, to be sure. There is no question he is a better athlete/player than Max, and potentially Noah. ...but can he grow up quickly enough and play within himself? His lack of minutes has cost him any sense of comfort on the court, and his immature decisions tonight likely cost him minutes from here on out. I do know this kid is a player....can score...and can knock down the outside shot. Tonight was not a step forward for our future stud. Starting the offense through Ethan instead of through Tahj or Drew still seems unwise to me. Ethan isn't creating enough opportunities for his teammates. There is no question chemistry (something we haven't talked much about when we're winning, but an obvious weakness for a team so new to each other) is a disadvantage for us compared to most teams we play. I have noticed that our players have never looked more unsure... Needless to say, it's bad timing for that. There are a lot of one-on-one possessions, and very few successfully executed motion half-court sets of some sort (...unless you're talking about our opponents). CAE had better figure out who he's going to turn to, so that group can spend as much time together as possible. Personally, I've seen enough of #23.
    If you're just going to keep unfairly singling out a reserve player as part of some weird vendetta, perhaps you should consider starting your own blog on the subject. I'm not going to tolerate much more of it.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by MeltonNotHelton View Post

      If you're just going to keep unfairly singling out a reserve player as part of some weird vendetta, perhaps you should consider starting your own blog on the subject. I'm not going to tolerate much more of it.
      Well I can't change your tolerance Melton, but I don't think MOJO's reviews feature Max's errs any more than anyone else on this sub.

      Anyhow, I think its a good review, and good *general* emphasis on rotation/lineup. It's so bizarre how we started this year with the "deepest roster ever" and now it feels like we don't have someone to fill a role we so desperately need. Just bizarre.

      I'm all aboard the Noah train after this game. Let's try and keep up on offense instead.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Trojan2021 View Post

        Well I can't change your tolerance Melton, but I don't think MOJO's reviews feature Max's errs any more than anyone else on this sub.

        Anyhow, I think its a good review, and good *general* emphasis on rotation/lineup. It's so bizarre how we started this year with the "deepest roster ever" and now it feels like we don't have someone to fill a role we so desperately need. Just bizarre.

        I'm all aboard the Noah train after this game. Let's try and keep up on offense instead.
        Are you kidding me? The last two games he wrote two novels denigrating Max. This after games that the TEAM lost.

        I'm not saying Max is above criticism. Go for it. But to act like he's the reason we lost or the reason we are struggling is just unfair and low class. I'm not gonna stand for it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MeltonNotHelton View Post

          Are you kidding me? The last two games he wrote two novels denigrating Max. This after games that the TEAM lost.

          I'm not saying Max is above criticism. Go for it. But to act like he's the reason we lost or the reason we are struggling is just unfair and low class. I'm not gonna stand for it.
          I think he explicitly said in both posts - this one at least, that Max is NOT the reason we lost. Just one mans opinion....

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MeltonNotHelton View Post

            Are you kidding me? The last two games he wrote two novels denigrating Max. This after games that the TEAM lost.

            I'm not saying Max is above criticism. Go for it. But to act like he's the reason we lost or the reason we are struggling is just unfair and low class. I'm not gonna stand for it.
            MNH - If you don't like my posts, I don't have to post. It's your control, not mine. I will say, though, that my tough criticism of Max is simply what I see. I don't sugar coat things. You've claimed I have an agenda?? Yes. Truly. Only that our beloved USC Trojans Basketball team succeeds best they can, and to discuss the path that I think most successful. That is literally my only "agenda."

            I do not think that Max is responsible for any of our losses. I've said as much in my game by game response. However, I don't think he's contributing like you and some other posters seem to - obvious in your tough criticism of me. I watch out basketball games, and he's the one player that jumps off the screen for me. I'm a season ticket holder. He didn't look any better in person. Not all of our Trojans are equally as talented. Although I don't think he's responsible for tonight's loss, or any other, I just don't see his time on the court as advantageous contribution, and have been trying to figure out which other Trojan player might be able to step up in a capacity that might actually fuel us. In your rebuttal over the past few weeks, you've hounded me for being too hard, and you've sent postings indicating how unfair I have been, and what great plays Max has made. I have nothing against Max. I just don't see any other Trojans player making the same fundamental mistakes repeatedly, and as a competitive long-time Trojans basketball fan, I want the best for us - whomever is playing. Max came here as a 4 star, and I was super-excited to have him. If this message board was designed to protect players, then I am being unfair. I just won't sugar coat what is obvious, and basketball has been the backbone of my life as an athlete, father, and coach....so I know enough to have an educated opinion. Some people might not agree, but and I try my best to be fair.

            So I ask you this: With some people asking me if Max "stole my gf," or saying I'm being unfair and have an "agenda," or telling me I've "probably never played basketball before," have I responded with equal responses? I think it's great that other people have differing opinions. I think many have been unfair to me. That's all good tho. Again, any post is a forum for debate. ...and I love our Trojans program as much as any. And for all the authority you have, you've been as hard on me as any - and you have not agreed with me once, and think that CAE is making perfect decisions, because we're winning. ...but I want to continue to be better. ...and I want Andy to continue to improve. ...and I want us to win a chip!

            CAE has been reducing Max's minutes. You've not mentioned one thing about that. 23 has had a pretty bad run of late, and you've not said anything about that. He has never passed the eyeball test with me, and I really think others might be able to help us more....and it's just been frustrating to watch him get so many minutes with such little payoff. That's just how I feel. But once again, I want another Trojan player to step up! So we can win! ...which I think is what we all want... right?

            You don't have to agree with me. I promise never to be unfair. (I poured it on the Mobleys in my recent two game posts, hit Noah and Reese tonight, and I'm not easy on anybody, including CAE, who I think has done a remarkable job for the most part.) I'll also commend performances, coaching decisions, big plays, and improvement. (Look what I said about 23 after his one recent good game. I wasn't as wild about it as you, but I commended him for his improved play, gave you a "win" for our back-and-forth, and mentioned that I WANTED 23 to excel...SO WE CAN WIN!! You and I just haven't seen eye to eye.

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            • #7
              Max has had his moments, but was just awful last night. Makes you wonder where the team would be if the bulk of his minutes had gone to Reese once Reese joined the team.

              But we are where we are, and it’s still a good spot. Win out and win the conference. Do well in the conference tourney - and I do want the team to have another crack at Colorado. Gotta figure out how to win against a team like that.

              And then onto the big dance!

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              • #8
                Yes! We're in a very good spot, for sure. If you told us all in the preseason we'd be in position to compete for the league title with a few game left, we'd have all taken it. ...but this "get-right" game last night was a debacle. Other than Drew's resurfacing, it didn't look much like the team we've been most of the season. NCAA committee is sure to take notice of our streak, our fall in defensive efficiency, and how even our billboard superstar hasn't been as dominant of late. ...and if we play like last night against either Stanford or ucla, it's not going to be pretty.

                Our coaching staff is deep and talented, and our roster is full of players most teams don't want any part of in the tourney, so I'm hopeful we can turn it around. I'd also love a shot at redeeming ourselves vs Colorado. I worry as we get closer to the post-season that toughness is going to be a disadvantage. I hope we can overcome it, but I've noticed that teams are having defenders apply body leverage that might have received a whistle earlier int he season. They're calling it less frequency this late in the season. Utah - the 9th best PAC-12 team coming in - applied subtle contact pressure on our bigs again, and we just didn't commit to attacking it to turn the tide and get them in foul trouble. Is seems like we get called for the touch fouls of late, but refs aren't calling those touch fouls the other way.

                We've gone away from our high-low sets, which seemed to be working well when we ran them - demanding double-teams, creating passing lanes, and utilizing the exceptional chemistry between the Mobley bro's.

                Fingers crossed we get get this figured out quickly and get 2 "W'"s this week!

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                • #9
                  I think SC MOJO 's comments are completely fair. After the Oregon game, I remember him giving praise to Max and saying how he wishes that he will perform at this level for the rest of the season. So, I think it's fair if he writes some comments about his thoughts about an underwhelming road trip by him. And, he posted some insight about the team as a whole, not just Max. He could be too harsh, but it's nothing egregious imo

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by NYtrojan View Post
                    I think SC MOJO 's comments are completely fair. After the Oregon game, I remember him giving praise to Max and saying how he wishes that he will perform at this level for the rest of the season. So, I think it's fair if he writes some comments about his thoughts about an underwhelming road trip by him. And, he posted some insight about the team as a whole, not just Max. He could be too harsh, but it's nothing egregious imo
                    It is only a slight exaggeration to say that in no point in the history of college basketball has more time and effort been put into denigrating a bench player who averages less than 17 minutes per game.

                    This site does not exist so Mojo can unfairly unload on Max after every game.

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                    • #11
                      First of all, your use of the word "unfair" is unfair. If you read back through our postings, you will find me documenting problems, and stating my opinion. You countered with how good he was on defense, and defended him relentlessly. I, in turn, would respond with more game references, and share my thoughts on others who could help us more. Sure, I've been hard on Max, but it's only because I don't understand it. He's never passed the eyeball test with me, and that's different than your experience. I won't re-hash specifics here, for fear of you disliking the documenting of those critical comments, but I would ask you to be fair in your response with me.

                      You use the word "denigrate," which means to "unfairly criticize or disparage." That is ridiculous. Good luck quoting "unfair" comments about Max from any of my posts, let alone "after every game." I'm critical of his skillsets because I think it's obvious. I mean, if you don't think he deserves criticism, that's one thing. We agree to disagree. I could argue that you are the one who has been unfair to me, and that CAE's limiting minutes is a direct reflection that the coaching staff might have been weighing their options with Max as well! ...just like me!

                      At the end of the day, MNH, if you think I don't want Max to play 20 mpg, average 10 pts, 7 REB, 2 AST, 2 BLK, 0 TO and shoot 40% from 3PT etc., you could not be more wrong. I'm only sharing my opinion - and having to defend it to you. I'd LOVE the kid - AN AWESOME YOUNG MAN AND TROJAN - to rock on the court.

                      I've only been trying to call a spade a spade, and think there have been other Trojans who could do more with those minutes. ...and you've always tried to make it seem like my thoughts are preposterous. If there was an unfair comment out there, I apologize. I will not, however, apologize for loving our USC Trojans, having an opinion, or thinking that other Trojans could help this team be better.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SC MOJO View Post
                        First of all, your use of the word "unfair" is unfair. If you read back through our postings, you will find me documenting problems, and stating my opinion. You countered with how good he was on defense, and defended him relentlessly. I, in turn, would respond with more game references, and share my thoughts on others who could help us more. Sure, I've been hard on Max, but it's only because I don't understand it. He's never passed the eyeball test with me, and that's different than your experience. I won't re-hash specifics here, for fear of you disliking the documenting of those critical comments, but I would ask you to be fair in your response with me.

                        You use the word "denigrate," which means to "unfairly criticize or disparage." That is ridiculous. Good luck quoting "unfair" comments about Max from any of my posts, let alone "after every game." I'm critical of his skillsets because I think it's obvious. I mean, if you don't think he deserves criticism, that's one thing. We agree to disagree. I could argue that you are the one who has been unfair to me, and that CAE's limiting minutes is a direct reflection that the coaching staff might have been weighing their options with Max as well! ...just like me!

                        At the end of the day, MNH, if you think I don't want Max to play 20 mpg, average 10 pts, 7 REB, 2 AST, 2 BLK, 0 TO and shoot 40% from 3PT etc., you could not be more wrong. I'm only sharing my opinion - and having to defend it to you. I'd LOVE the kid - AN AWESOME YOUNG MAN AND TROJAN - to rock on the court.

                        I've only been trying to call a spade a spade, and think there have been other Trojans who could do more with those minutes. ...and you've always tried to make it seem like my thoughts are preposterous. If there was an unfair comment out there, I apologize. I will not, however, apologize for loving our USC Trojans, having an opinion, or thinking that other Trojans could help this team be better.
                        Love your passion. But you’re being grossly unfair and unbalanced against this kid. I’m not going to waste my time and energy to go through the sheer thousands of words you have posted against a minor reserve on this team. Just cut it out. You can criticize him, fine, but keep it respectful.

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                        • #13
                          Some food for thought:

                          While USC can still win the Pac 12 for the first time since 1985 with some help from UCLA. ( Beat Oregon lose to USC), a couple of interesting points.

                          USC has lost 6 games.
                          In the six losses, USC has averaged 61.8 Points.
                          A low of 56 ( Against OSU at home ) and a high of 72 (Against Arizona at home) Without including the high of 72 the average is under 60 points per game.

                          All the losses range between 56 and 72. Five losses have point totals that are between 56 and 62.

                          As a reference, scoring 61.8 points per game would rank 329 out of 340 teams in the NCAA. OUCH

                          Another key stat: Assists to turnovers. 123rd in the NCAA. Many of the losses have had single digit assist totals. The mark of poor offensive execution/plan.

                          Better offensive EXECUTION/SCHEME this year .....no loss to OSU, maybe no loss to Utah Result: first place in the PAC 12

                          What could this mean if anything?

                          USC does not lose in " shootouts" where 2 good offenses score lots of points and the outcome is like 88-84.

                          USC loses when a tough defensive team ( with a good coach, and there are a few in the Pac 12) completely disrupts what many consider to be a dysfunctional, unpolished offensive game plan.



                          It is easy for anyone with some basketball knowledge to see and this has been a problem for many years based on the level of talent.

                          This team is deep, has as good a roster as the top teams in the Pac 12, but in many educated opinions is under achieving.

                          Although I do not quote Scott Wolf's Column ever until now, his comments on the basketball team today over past numerous years is pretty accurate.

                          This team should and can win the Pac 12, which would look nice on the resume as it has not been done since 1985.

                          Remember no other team is ranked in the Pac 12. This would be the year.

                          Most posters are just disappointed in the quality of the offense, game plan, and general game strategy. The defense, rebounding, lack of fouls has been pretty good.

                          Everyone's hope is to Win the Pac 12, Maybe the Pac 12 Tournament , Win 23 plus games and get in the NCAA tournament. Only 2 Tournament appearances in the last 7, one being a play in Game.

                          This is the year with this roster.

                          2 regular season games left Stanford at Home , UCLA across town.

                          No excuses about travel as the game is at Pauley, a bus ride away and yes, they get to sleep in their own beds. It may be for the Pac 12 title.





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                          • #14
                            sketch, some really god points but I disagree with you about the level of talent. Very talented teams don't shoot as poorly as USC. I did coach and I don't like the style of offense that USC plays but you still have to knock down shots. Eaddy is the only consistently good shooter on the entire team. There are about 5 or so teams in the conference who shoot the three better and we are just atrocious at the free throw line as we are last in the conference, by far.. It's extremely difficult to have a great team when you barely shoot 60% from the foul line. This is hardly a great roster.

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                            • #15
                              never said it was a great roster just a good roster with a lot of pieces to utilize. One of the obvious reasons for low shooting percentages ,2 or 3, is having an offense which does not generate or produce open looks or "easy" shots. Most of the opinions of others who call it street ball or whatever are not far off. As an example, and I do not like to make single examples preferring to look at an entire season, With USC cutting the deficit to 10 against Utah, The next 5 to 8 possessions featured really awful shots from players who should no be the go to in "crunch time" with no player/no plan even looking to go to USC's best player Evan Mobley. He was not even in a position to touch the ball. If that is not incompetent coaching , what is? He was not double teamed, the offense did not even go through him. This has happened dozens of times especially after time outs, an incredible weakness on USC's teams.

                              BTW points in the paint, defense , and rebounding win most games.

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                              • Marty46r
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                                Teams will foul you down low if you can't knock down foul shots. Are you aware that USC has shot 110 more free throws then Colorado but Colorado has actually scored 8 more points then USC.
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