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  • I. Mobley, Reese Waters, Josh Morgan

    Not having Pac-12 Network for the last 2 years, have only seen about a dozen games last year, and the 3 or so on ESPN/FS1 this year. So for anyone who is more familiar with the 3 above (including their play in high school, I have the following questions:

    1. Is what we are seeing from Isaiah Mobley indicative of what he is capable of?

    To me, he is a mediocre player at best. He lacks explosion, power, strength, and has a hard time finishing over anyone close to his size. When he gets the ball and works with his back to the basket, his success rate is pitiful, usually resulting in a poor shot or turnover, and he often falls down. In that respect he reminds me of Rackocevic. His skill set looks pretty good, as he can handle the ball, pass, and has good shooting mechanics. But he tries to do things which he is not capable of, like playing like someone who is 6-10.

    2. Is Reese Waters skilled/talented enough, and mature enough, to start sometime this season?

    If so, I would like to seen a combination of Anderson/Eady, Waters, and Peterson on the court at the same time. While I like White's physicality and aggressiveness, his skill set appears to be very limited, particularly for a wing player.

    3. Would Josh Morgan be an upgrade over Isaiah Mobley, or what about starting Goodwin instead of Isaiah?

    Thanks for any comments.

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    1. Right on about Isaiah Mobley except mediocre may be too harsh but not as good as touted for sure.

    2. Yes, I saw Reese Waters in high school and he has more upside than the current wing players. Trojans are not going to contend with current wing players. How can the coach start White at wing when he is a poor outside shooter? White looked good overpowering midmajors but just don't kinow about him in Pac12. At best, he should play high post. Baumann had the hot game, but again against midmajor which is where he can from. Can he shot play with the big boys? Max A. too inconsistent in outside shot. Like his athleticism coming off bench, but agree with member who wrote about his shortcomings which should preclude him starting. Eaddy would be my oher starting wing because he has been the most reliable outside so far,.

    3. Yes, Morgan comes from a midmajor. But like Eaddy, has shown he can play with the big boys. Found this info: Morgan recorded 10 points and five rebounds against the Wildcats in Tucson last November. He also posted double figures in scoring versus UCLA and USC. What also makes me like Morgan is, unlike USC's other transfers, he was recruited by top teams such as UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon and Texas.

    Waters and Morgan are the type of players that USC needs to contend. The question is whether it is too soon in their development to help now.

    Add: my problem is Enfield is playing so many midmajors and worst in nonconference so the team is not prepared enough to play Pac-12 competiion. So Enfield crushes teams like Irvine, Montana and Santa Clara and wins 20 games or so a year and some members here think what a wonderful coach we have.. I would rather be facing better caliber opposition to get ready for the conference. Colorado showed the team was not, especially the physical play.

    Second add: After USC was beating up the cream puffs in nonconference, some members were saying here at Evan Mobley was better than Okongwu. I think his Colorado performance silenced them. It wasn't a suprise to me. In high school, Rancho Christian with Evan was disappointing in the playoffs both years because Mobley doesn't assert in the post, doesn't establish position enough down low. Okongwu shot 60 percent because he took only good shots inside (which also creates fouls which can put other team in foul trouble). I don't want my big man shooting outside when he is 7 foot and is very athletic. Reminds me why Abdul-Jabbar was so good. He was thin like Mobley and got pushed around, but remedied that by developing a sky hook shot taken from near the right baseline so harder to get help on him.

    Third add: I do agree Anderson would be a help on defense at the point, just don't know about his offense. What I would do is shuffle him in and out with Peterson and use Peterson more if offense needed or Anderson for defense.

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      Originally posted by uschoopsdreamer View Post
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      Add: my problem is Enfield is playing so many midmajors and worst in nonconference so the team is not prepared enough to play Pac-12 competiion. So Enfield crushes teams like Irvine, Montana and Santa Clara and wins 20 games or so a year and some members here think what a wonderful coach we have.. I would rather be facing better caliber opposition to get ready for the conference. Colorado showed the team was not, especially the physical play.

      Second add: After USC was beating up the cream puffs in nonconference, some members were saying here at Evan Mobley was better than Okongwu. I think his Colorado performance silenced them. It wasn't a suprise to me. In high school, Rancho Christian with Evan was disappointing in the playoffs both years because Mobley doesn't assert in the post, doesn't establish position enough down low. Okongwu shot 60 percent because he took only good shots inside (which also creates fouls which can put other team in foul trouble). I don't want my big man shooting outside when he is 7 foot and is very athletic. Reminds me why Abdul-Jabbar was so good. He was thin like Mobley and got pushed around, but remedied that by developing a sky hook shot taken from near the right baseline so harder to get help on him.

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      Ugh, what an ignorant post.

      USC scheduled a quality non-conference slate this year but most of it was canceled. Have you heard of this thing called a pandemic? By the way, are you aware that UCI won the Big West last year?

      It is indeed a wonderful thing for a USC coach to win 20 games every year. Only someone completely ignorant of USC basketball history would consider this a problem.

      Evan Mobley is still better than Okongwu (though in a different way), and that evaluation doesn't change because he finally had a subpar game, doesnt.change it anymore than it made Big O worse because he had 6 point game against Nevada last year. It doesn't change things even though Okongwu also struggled against Colorado in a far-worse loss last year at home. You see, for people who understand basketball, the evaluation of a player doesn't ebb and flow from game to game, but is determined by the sum of the games. Mobley is very skilled and has a nice offensive game and is on his way to a huge year. He will be helped going forward once we have our point guard back.





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        uschoopsdreamer commented
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        Has does your foot feel. You put it in your mouth with your reply. You are laughingstock of this board.

        There is a bid difference in the games you coompared. USC won the game at Nevada. Okongwu was smothered by two Nevada players, allowing other post man Rakocevic free to have his best game with 10 for 15 for 24 points. Nevada coach Alford knew about how great Okongwu was, having seen him in high school on a few occasions. Okongwu didn't go outside and throw some bricks up like Mobley did in the Colorado game and go 5 for 14.

        The announcer on today's game said Mobley hopes to rebound today. His performance was unprecedented. ESPN reported no player in the last 25 years has played 30 minutes and not got a shot off .

        Arizona beat Colorado by 14. UCLA lost Chris Smith, its leading returning scorer, yet beat Colorado today.

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      To piggy-back on MeltonNotHelton (I see myself doing this a lot) - re: Schedule. Please look at EVERY power 5 conference team schedule. There might be exceptions, but I just checked Oregon, UCLA & Arizona's. I also checked Michigan State's and Duke's. Pretty cream-puffy non-conference for all. There's one, maybe two games against traditional top 25 opponents for Duke and Michigan State, but all of those teams had lots of directional schools/schools named after people. We played two traditional quality teams in BYU & UConn, going 1-1. And our small school opponents have had recent success.

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        uschoopsdreamer commented
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        USC rercently finished second in the Pac-12, yet didn't make the NCAAs because of its pathetic nonconference schedule. I don't think that has ever happened to Oregon, UCLA, Arizona, Michigan State or Duke.
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